VW ID4 1st 82 kWh range test

Publicerades den 31 mar 2021
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  • The 19inch comes standard in Norway do you think it’s worth getting the bigger wheels? Much love from Bergen ☔️

  • Don't you mean that they count Ah? And because of decreasing voltage the Wh you actually get at lower SoC is less than at high SoC?

  • Good range !!!!!

  • First of your videos, I have seen. Thank you for mentioning headlights, no one else seems to be interested in such things, I believe it is very important.

  • It's a joke really that you have to go to the Tech trim to get travel assist and here in Ireland that costs 54,000 Euro's, not even an option. id.3 inside is ugly as sin and to be honest for that kind of money neither the id.3 or id.4 should have such poor ergonomics. The Kia E-Niro, it has lots of buttons but once familiar with them you know where everything is instantly and you won't have to fumble around through so many menus on a screen, how distracting, a lot of People are complaining that it's too distracting while driving.

  • Which one is noisier model 3 or ID.4? My model 3 has many rattles and terrible road noise. Very disappointed, thought of getting rid of it and buy the ID.4. I don't care if the digital part is not as advanced as Tesla. My main priority is comfort.

    • Check out upcoming noise tests for ID4 and check existing noise tests for Model 3/ID3.

  • Model Y likely more energy efficient due to lower weight, drag coefficient...Germans will make Europe to buy their production and rest of the world will be divided.

  • looks like more energy hungry then Tesla 70D..., overall strong competitor against Tesla model Y

  • Not sure if you can trust Google either...

  • How about the assistive driving features? Are they on your car? Answered at 18:23

  • 16:31 For what it's worth, a little comparison to the Enyaq in consumption: senewss.info/slow/fcbYhJOgoM7Ib8g/video Probably not comparable, but gives hope at 120 km/h it could be more efficient after all.

  • Impressive!

  • Björn, at 9:20 did you mean Wh = Ah * V, and so that you think that VW and the Korean cars estimate SoC based on counting Ah ?

  • Hvor stor fart hadde du i high speed test?

  • "We can manipulate the numbers, boss"

  • Wow - 5 hours driving without peeing - that's impressive!

  • And the weigt of EV vehicles is approaching the old large 2000 kg minivans! So much for the old 2004 Espace Grand!

  • Finally! We only got one 1st electric vehicle that can seriously travel 400km +! So many do I need to drive to work in one week!

  • Will Bjorn ever start a video without saying "Yo, what's up ?" ?

  • E tron is a cow on wheels

  • Can't wait to see Model Y high speed range test.

  • Your theory is probably right that these cars show SoC based on capacity, not energy. That is the way SoC is defined in battery science, but of course not the info you want in a car. If my car has a 400 km range, I want it to display 50% at 200 km, not at 215 km.

  • How do these extreme tires make any sense? No sports car but 255s rear and 235s front and 20". It Will be an expensive setup to run per mile.

  • You should compare range with price of the car. 416 000 NUK for 449 km = 926 NUK/km (pretty good)

  • One thing that I am curious about is the charging efficiency? Or to put it differently how much energy is needed from the grid to recharge the battery back to 100% SoC compared to what is used for the driving. I assume that some cars especially those that only have AC charge capability are rather bad in this aspect. Or is that already in your calculations?

    • senewss.info/slow/nq7Rf6yVb7PBmao/video

  • Really, Voltswagon? No tyre-pressure monitoring system in 2021, unless you pay for it? WTF?

  • kWh/h !? WTF?

  • God these cars are heavy. 5,000 pounds. The Mercedes is pushing 7,000! You should have to pay for road tax as a truck and get a commercial driver's license! My small car is really heavy because it's over 3,000 pounds.

  • Bjorn quotes* "If you don't steer, you end up in the ditch" :D

  • 2:50 missing tesla model x P90D which should be on 3rd or 4th place. It's list of electric vehicles which are too heavy, unefficient, and expensive. In short: list of evs you should never buy.

  • 9:46 What a beuatiful cloud!

  • If you ramp up the tire pressure up to 3.5 bar, you will win about 20% in range.

    • But that's not safe and not recommended.

  • it’s a prismatic cell!

  • I can't finde the range test results on Björn's google drive. :/

    • @Bjørn Nyland I am on your google drive and see lots of docs, but no range tests.

    • Check video description. It's there.

  • There seems to be a mistake in your spreadsheet. The "75 % range" (and dependent values) are off. It seems like you calculated 65% instead. Please change this.

    • It's not a mistake. Watch this video: senewss.info/slow/n4-yb9R8n7q4r8Q/video

  • As always good work dude!,,,

  • I love how exciting you sound, even for tire pressure! :D

  • About the measurement of the capacity, you probably mean amp-hours times voltage, not watt-hours. As to the temperature in the pack increasing towards the end, it is probably due to the fact that the voltage of the cells, when low, decrease; as such they need to provide more current (therefore amperes) in order to provide the same power. And since heat loss is a function of the intensity squared, this could explain it.

  • Perfekt Bjørn!! Your Google Sheet i perfekt. Yes it is a German wepon,, dates back til ww1.

  • You are correct in your assumptions, Bjørn. The SoC on an EV measures amp-hours (Ah) not kWh, so there is more energy in the top percentages of the battery than the bottom, as the voltage drops (A*V=W). This will also explain the temperature rise in the battery towards the end, since the current will be higher for any given power - and the heating effect goes up with the square of the current, too. More precisely, the BMS counts coulombs - the measure of electrical charge - or amp-seconds (1C = 1As).

    • And then most other linear SoC scales like in Tesla, I-Pace, e-tron etc they take in account the voltage drop and compensates for it.

  • Wh is real energy! 1 J=1 Ws, 1 Wh=3600 J. Dividing with volts gives you Ah which is meaningless, since the voltage is dropping as you go. Well, or depends on what you want to know, of course, but Wh is energy, Ah is not. Wh multiplied with V is not a meaningful unit. It's V²Ah, useable for nothing.

  • Like your videos, keep up the good work! Ps: the consumption is not 161 (16.1) but 16 point 1 kWh. Otherwise nobody would buy an EV😉

  • News entertainment and more. Consider yourself promoted

  • Thanks Bjorn. Your content is such good quality. You are the only guy who gives us the real data. Actual range, noise level, size (and all the geeky stuff about ambient temperature and tyres and wind etc). And in the course of all that you give your other insights about the rest of the car too. Great stuff -- we really, really appreciate it. I hope that you get as much exposure as possible because quality data and information is what the world needs.

  • So the big question, which one would you have between this one and the Tesla MY?

  • This is really shaping up to be my second EV for long range trips. I love my MX-30 but it just doesn't cut it for road trips.

  • Bjorn did you have the HUD off? I didn't see it.

    • @Bjørn Nyland Oh, thanks Bjorn. Didn't realise.

    • This is base model without HUD/AR.

  • The double glazed windows can probably be purchased after for 150 eur each.. like they can for passats, multivans etc. Mirror wind and rain and passing cars then much quieter

  • 297 Kms @120 Km/hr isn't bad, so say in reality probably 260 Kms before you end up at a charger.

  • Hi, i like your content! How about Skoda Enyaq? Willl you test it?

  • Which obd dongle are you using?

  • Imagine the music of guitar hero by foreigner in the back. And replace the text by "He's a no pee hero...". You are my hero, pal! 5 hours without break... Greetings from the "south", ; ) Björn 🖖

  • Next Test please between 120 and 160 km/h 😉😎

    • @Bjørn Nyland , Ok, it was just a joke, I know you can't go faster than 120 in Norway. Maybe it would work on a test track or a race track. 😉

    • 120 km/h already done in the video.

  • I was listening without watching... then you got to the food part. You had me at "hmmmmm hmmm hmmmmmm!"!

  • Great test video, you put a lot into it. Thanks. Looks like VW has been honest about the ID4 range. This is good news.

  • Like all EV's ridiculously expensive for a functionally inferior car than what we are used to.

  • I see a Car without Any Artificial Intelligence inside. This is not reminding me of an EV. Its a dark ,silent car. You did everything possible to make the ride last longer but people don't go to work like this. The screen is impossible. I guess it was a rear wheel drive , which makes it a bad car for snow. Anyway its really nothing a NIO EC6 . With 5 people inside with 200 hp what do you do ? Nice Try. Next year maybe its better. Great Looks though.

  • great to see you back fit and well

  • Hi BjØrn, nice to see You on top again!! A great video this time. that what I was hoped to find on YT! Thanks!

  • id4 same size as E tron? Bjørn - sharpen up!😉 id4 - 458 cm x 185 cm, - E tron 491 cm x 192 cm. Weight id4 - 2.2 tons - E tron - 2, 6 tons.

    • Gunnar, you are wrong. I just tested banana box today and it turns out that ID4 has *more* space than e-tron. I suspected that for a long time because e-tron is based on fossil car. Just look at how long the hood of e-tron is compared to ID4. Watch the banana box video coming out soon.

    • @Dusan Gavrilovic I know, but you can not compare them anyway. The space in the luggage is significantly larger in the E tron. E tron is one and a half sizes larger than iD4. id4 is VWs q4 e tron. Audi comes with a car size between the two in the 22 - q6 e tron. The TMS and Porsche Taycan are both built on pure electric platforms, however, they have largely the same dimensions on the outside, but as you say; Taycan is significantly smaller inside. However, they can also not be compared. Porsche is a sports car, TMS is a family car with sporting ambitions.😉

    • He was talking about usable space/interior space... Etron is based on ICE, id4 is pure electric from the start. Its a huge difference... Just like model s has 7 seats vs taycan with barely 4...

  • Very nice to see you back with full power Björn👍 thanks for this one💯🌹

  • Where are Teslas in your chart Bjorn?

  • I hope this car sells like burgers and hot cakes in the US

  • The energy is not given as watt*hour*voltage, watt*hour is correct. I suppose what is meant here is ampere*hour*voltage, which is the same as watt*hour. since watt = ampere*volt

  • I had a stupid professor in university but he said one good thing I remember: "You drink in barS ... you measure baR". don't know if this still applies in corona times but generally its correct :D

    • Thanks for the clarification. I will say "bar" from now on.

    • @Bjørn Nyland He always told us that it is 3 bar, not 3 barS. Interstingly based on Wikipedia, both is correct. I just remember him saying this "drinking in barS and measureing baR" all the time. He was one of the top guys in europe for fluid dynamics inside oil/gas reservoirs so I think he knows a thing or two about bar and bars :D

    • So what you mean is that pressure (bar) is singular?

  • 💗🆔4️⃣

  • I see a new Bjørn video, I click like.

  • ID 4 The Win

  • @ 9:36 to 9:50 look at that giant UFO ahead of you. :)

  • How much it cost in your country to fully charge ID4 from 0 to full in a public charger? How much it cost to fully charge TESLA Model Y in your country from 0 to full in a public charger?

    • +𝟙 𝟚 𝟝 𝟙 𝟛 𝟙 𝟛 𝟛 𝟝 𝟛 𝟠

  • I, too, love more salsa

  • The offhandedly comparison to the E-Tron was spot on. I am cross shopping both right now and for the ID.4 to have similar performance numbers for half the price might have swayed me more towards it. Love your videos.

  • Not as efficient like my Tesla model Y Lr, but this result are impressive. I will recommended this car for anybody who don’t want Tesla for sure.

    • indeed... good car and built quality for the money !

  • And thank you Bjorn. you can go to bed now.

  • It would be great if you could compare B and D mode in the ID.4. D mode should be more efficient. www.volkswagen-newsroom.com/en/press-releases/brake-or-coast-the-id4s-intelligent-energy-recuperation-concept-6658 Coasting is 100% efficient, no energy is used. Regen is not 100% efficient due to inverter and charging heat losses. The important thing in either mode, is not to use the friction brakes. D mode will require more anticipation, but I guarantee that it will be more efficient. I believe the ideal is to have various regen levels available as with the steering wheel paddles in the Audi e-tron. Apparently Porsche believe coasting is far more efficient in the Taycan. Obviously B mode will have to be used on steep down hill sections to prevent the need for friction braking. The ID.4 also has intelligent regeneration in D mode (Eco Assistance). It uses the adaptive cruise control radar to engage regeneration automatically when approaching slower vehicles. The ID.4 can also automatically engage regeneration using speed limit and navigation data.

  • Every time I see Bjørn eating I get food cravings... :)

    • Dried Mangos are the cure to being “so fed up with Winter”🤒

  • 9:33 that's one beautiful cloud!

  • Volkswagen just nailed it with their cars. the ID cars are really competitive with tesla.

    • and better price tag !

  • It has no competition at all AND it's a good car with great efficiency and range. Just buy it.

  • Somebody told me that the ID4 was limited to 100 mph. Is that true?

    • where you can drive more than 100mph... exept in Germany ???

    • Yes

  • Love so much this ID.4 !!!

  • It seems VW does know how to make good cars, who would have guessed. Now please VW, give us a golf sized stationwagon EV 🤞

  • Hi there, you've tested many electric cars, what's the best vehicle? Thanks.

  • Hi Bjorn, could you tell my what phone holder do you have? Thank you.

  • Thanks! Do you know when you will get your hands on the Skoda Enyaq?

  • VW only advertises 420 km range here... as realistic range.

    • @Bjørn Nyland that is WLTP but in the German material they also advertise a "to expect" range... And that is 400-450 km depending on the trim. WLTP even goes to 520 for some trims. I guess the want to avoid false promises or too high expectations with their customers.

    • No, it's 495 km. I show it in the video towards the end.

  • Higher battery internal resistance with the lower state of charge is why the battery temperature increases at low SOC. The heat loss towards the end is also why the total range decreases faster at the end.

    • @Bjørn Nyland according to this page batteryuniversity.com/learn/archive/how_does_internal_resistance_affect_performance “The internal resistance of lithium-ion is fairly flat from empty to full charge. The battery decreases asymptotically from 270 mW at 0% to 250 mW at 70% state-of-charge. The largest changes occur between 0% and 30% SoC. “. Also batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/rising_internal_resistance “Li-ion has higher resistance at full charge and at end of discharge with a big flat low resistance area in the middle.” This resistance probably varies from one chemistry to another but I suspect it is fairly typical profile for li-ion. I also suspect that the BMS may switch to even more parallel setup at low SOC to keep available power as high as possible given that battery pack voltage is low and thus the BMS tries to compensate with making as many amps as possible, thus the more parallel setup then. But I am speculating on the latter, no idea if this BMS can do dynamic re-wiring.

    • Are you sure? Usually internal resistance is lower at lower SoC. That's why Tesla can charge at 250 kW at low SoW. But at low SoC, voltage drops a lot. And in order to maintain the same power (kW), current needs to be higher. And heat loss is a product of resistance and the squared of current.

  • You are 100% I listen you very charge !!!! Happy for you, fully restored our bjorn

  • Hi Björn, did you document the SW Version? Is it 2.0 (0783/0784) or 2.1 (0792)?

  • 2220kg! Shieeeet... Dude, no burgers before the weight test!

  • Bjorn, idk if you read your comments but important info on your model s plaid video! The reason the release date stays the same for EU is because the gigaberlin factory is getting the 4680 cells first. So you guys will be getting plaid plus before the US

    • Model S is made in USA not Berlin.

  • thank you

  • I guess this compares well to the Skoda Enyaq that from what i gatherd is more or less the same car under the skin. I find the Skoda more appealing looks wise so will wait for that one instead. I just wish the platform could compete better with Tesla in the charging department, but if the 170kW rumour is true then that is actually pretty good.

    • @Jan Olsen Not specc for specc as far as I have seen. The ID4 has a lower specc version though with the larger battery which makes it cheaper.

    • Just remember, the Skoda is more expensive then the ID4.

    • @bilgyno1 Ah yes like I thought then, but in my country so far only the RWD version is available and I want the AWD one. That is also why I care alot about the charging speed..

    • Yes, Enyaq has the same internals (battery, motor). It's drag coefficient is a bit lower, but it's also a bit bigger. In all it should do even better at higher speeds. You can order it already but waiting times are long...

  • Hi Björn. What is your recommendation on PHEV? I am unable to invest in a fully electric car. And probably will by an Hybrid soon! Would appreciate your thoughts on this! Best Regards Urban Eriksson

    • I really can't recommend a PHEV. Prices are almost the same as BEV, but most don't have decent electric only range nor power. A lot also just switch to the ICE when you demand some decent acceleration. The only people who could use a PHEV is the once that can charge at home and/or at work, and dont need to do a lot of highway miles in their every day driving, but need to go long distances at least once a month. If you dont fall in that situation, the best advice is to save up for a BEV or go second hand BEV/ICE...

    • It depends on your driving needs as well as charging options. Most PHEVs have a lousy electric range and are very thirsty if you just run on petrol. But if for example your daily commute is less than 30 km (in total going and back), and that's most of your driving, it can make sense. If you can charge at work reliably, it could be 60 km in total per day. Of course, you'd need to charge every day. Must admit I haven't looked at a lot of PHEVs lately, because they don't fit my need at all. Might be that there are options now with a longer range.

  • Good video and information Bjorn. It looks like a legacy auto company is doing a pretty good job with it’s EV offering. Now a 170Kw charging speed will be a serious improvement with a similar curve.

    • The curve would not be similar. It would probably go to 170 kW at low SOC and then go down in a straight line. It would still shave around 6 minutes of the 5-80% charge time.

  • Always nice to be overtaken by a audi etron 💪🏻

  • good range at that slow speed. But try again at 130 km/h as we use to drive on our german Motorways. 95 km/h is country roads speed.

    • Watch the whole video before commenting. I also tested 120 km/h (10 km/h over the maximum speed limit in Norway).

    • Did you not watch till the end? He did a 120 km/h run after the 90 km/h.

    • In Norway not legally possible. 🤷

  • Hey Björn Thanks for the video. Is 100% in this car the same as 100% in the Tesla? I know in the Tesla there is no buffer when charging to 100%.

    • @Bjørn Nyland is this the difference between the 82 kWh gross, 77 kWh Net ? One would assume 100% on the gauge is 77 kWh, although some tests have shown that Volkswagen can drive for many more km past 0% SOC. So could be a safety measure.

    • 100 % on this car's display is 96 %.

  • Nice numbers.

  • Do you still own Model X ?

    • No, sold it long time ago. Please consider subscribing to my channel.