Ner'zhul RETURNS! Garrosh Confirmed! The Jailer‘s Role In Warcraft 3, Light Yrel Threat + MORE

Publicerades den 22 feb 2021
The new lore reveals and hints from Blizzcon and our interview with Steve and Morgan were super fun - so here's our analysis!
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  • "World of Warcraft ends in ten years. " And, that's the lore.

  • This could be a way for Sylvanas to make up for at least some of what she's done. She could eventually see enough of the Jailer puppetting the child of light and set "Her Little Lion" free. She'll die in the process I'm sure, one way or another, but maybe she can finally get at least some of her Ranger General honor and heroism back.

  • i feel that azeroth will have similar motifs to the world stone and sanctuaries role symbolically in diablo

    • blizzard has histories of crossing over between games (monks in diablo at same time as MOP)

  • Where is Khad'gar? Is he at Karazhan or off planet?

  • Wasn't the Jailor Kasan just a big bandit in Warcraft 3?

  • Here is a concept on how I see Shadowlands. Thorghast is the core narrative pillar of the latest expansion and every main character being released from it can be considered as a DLC patch. Boom here you go releasing content lore chunk one puzzle piece at a time. Clever design but the delay on releasing the lore is not enough for me to stick around anymore. The hype is gone :(

  • 17:37 "Perhaps we'll learn what happens if you don't agree with their agenda." ...we have experience with this, do we not? The bonus boss from...Uldum, was it? Where the Titans' failsafe was that if Void (or, perhaps, anything else) were to invade Azeroth, that all live would be purged. That seems to be "what happens" if you "don't agree with their agenda". Perfect Order cannot stomach disorder. Does make me wonder if they're all at odds with one another, or if there are "alliances" of sorts. Like, are the Titans on good terms with the Light and/or Nature Gods? Are they on bad terms with them? Neutral? They seem to be opposed to the Void via the Old Ones, for sure. So what else is going on with that Cosmology chart that we don't know...?

  • lol. any aspects of war? isnt azzy a world of warcraft?

  • ... I think the demons found Nerzhul at some point and I believe they were the ones who encased him in ice to control the undead through him and let the Burning Legion back into Azeroth. I suppose the door is open for all the previous heroes and villians to comeback. A Grom, Garrosh, and Thrall interaction might be interesting.

  • Just end this dead ass game already. Boring af. Glad I quit.

  • If it was the jailers plan all along to have ner'zhul on azeroth, then how does kil'jaeden tie into all of this? It was after all him who made ner'zhul into what he is now.

  • the garrosh news is all im here for :

  • Garrosh did nothing wrong was a joke meme because its obvious the guy was a fascist mass murderer and only fascist sympathizers would actually think that was a legit opinion..

  • What about Arthas?

  • Wow you mean the Christian themed ‘light’ parts of this games story is now going to be made to look bad and tyrannical. What a shocking development for a far left satanic company like Blizzard! So glad I’m not financially supporting this anymore.

  • well that woulds be interesting if there'll be a reunion between jaina and arthas. yet we still don't know anything about many other dead warcraft characters in the shadowlands. including varian wrynn.

  • why wouldn't you call him jailer like a normal person?

  • Domination magic as it's own thing is a dumb concept.

  • Remember when the Light was good and benevolent? I do miss those days. Now Warcraft is becoming like most other modern fantasies, with the good force being revealed as secretly evil and the evil force as not-so-bad after all. This trend is fantasy is the result of a kind of confirmation bias that many immoral people deeply hold, i.e. wanting deeply to see the following played out in a secondary world setting which can justify their real-world attitude: > To be relieved of accountability and responsibility, and to never be reminded of what actual goodness looks like and that there are beings morally better than them. > To be assured that the blame always lies with your "moral betters." Because actual moral betters do not exist, any moral betters are simply dogmatic or outright evil beings for trying to impose THEIR morality on you by simply existing in their state of believing in objective morality. Any action they take in service of actual morality or idealism is therefore seen as arrogant dogmatism that imposes itself on any unfortunate enough to witness it. > To be assured that "moral betters" are secretly evil. This must be the case in order to confirm your worldview that you are the one who gets to decide what's right and wrong in your own life, and therefore anyone advocating a common moral code that applies to all must have a secret agenda and evil intentions. It's such a predictable and yet incoherent attitude of prideful self-worshippers. When good is seen, it's denounced as dogmatic evil. But when evil is seen, it's seen as a relativistic value which varies depending on who you ask. Thus the self-worshipper is effectually justified in his evil acts, and then excused from an external moral standard that would require him to do and serve good. Deeply held wishes! None of them real. What's sad is that pride is now celebrated in our culture and taught in schools. Humility has become a vice, and an attribute of the secretly evil. It's a shame Bellular seems to be in this class of naïve thinking. I fully believe that Tolkien would cringe at all of this his legacy has become. But he's just one man, how could he have stopped it? His creation of a secondary world to promote real-world morality clearly falls flat on most people who acquaint themselves with his works.

  • Blizzard keeps reflecting the same post modernist western thought shun God, God isn’t all good, evil aspects of god! And Now light is EVIL! 🙄 We see Tyrande doing the same, seething with wayward emotion against her goddess because she didn’t protect them; we see same idea being projected and propagated in our society. If God is good, why is there suffering? They forget, if worshipers of a god become evidently powerful, why would there be a need to be righteous? Sacrifice? Faith? HOPE???

    • It's a fairly predictable attitude by those who are naively proud of themselves and unwilling to believe in anything morally superior to themselves. Therefore anyone appearing better than themselves must have a secret evil side.

  • How is suppression not mind control? If you talk to people who’ve been possessed by demons, they, seem to experience everything. Yet they have no control over their actions.

  • I hate that i have to be that "one tauren nerd" but like (with the draenai and the light in mind) The tauren have always been the one race to advocade balance. They don't fear the darkness they don't revere the light, they honor both and strive for balance. And the way to not be corrupted with one cosmological force is to be a little bit of all, so like... they seem to have insight to things better than most races. Also Blizzard is still sitting on Spiritwalkers. Like, come on Blizz... it couldn't cut into the subject of the Shadowlands more. GIVE.ME.TAUREN.LORE.

  • Why would Garrosh repent for doing nothing wrong?

  • They just keep on going. Explaining the things that already there instead of creating new stories, new characters and ideas. They stretched WoW lore into this abomination where characters with rubber faces act like they havent reached puberty/maturity. Before draenor we had to create our stories to fill the gaps eagerly anticipating The Legion expansion (I guess you could say that Pandaria was a part of the whole degradation process but i remember it as the best PvP expansion). Now we just get "He/She was behind it all along" trope over and over again. I just don't understand how can Bellular keep his

  • 11:27 It's hilarious that you point that video out because that video was made as an April Fools joke. Even the description says that he's still a pos. However, it did make a lot of compelling arguments that did make me scratch my head and go, "...Huh..."

  • So...the writers are Stargate fans; Goa'uld. xD Also, we should have listened to the Panderans; Harmony in all things.

  • I don't care about the other minors, what about Arthas?

  • I somehow missed what Yrel had become. I don't remember that storyline. I've been wondering whatever happened to Velen. He just sort of disappeared the last expansion-- as did Khadgar. I'd like to see Khadgar come back. Also hoping to see Wrathion again. I wonder if Caine Bloodhoof will be around anywhere. I'm so glad to hear about Thrall and Draka meeting. Doesn't Thrall also have a sister somewhere? I can't remember if they ever met-- that whole expansion is a blur to me now. If Bolvar is taking a more active role, I'm hoping his daughter Taelia will get to do more than stand around and complain.

  • I really dont view any of this as canon, the wow story ended with legion, this is just fan fiction

  • Yrel! Finally. Been waiting for so long ;D

  • So your telling me Jania isn't a dreadlord?

  • Bellular smugging is glorious!

  • When can we bring arthas back to azzeroth

  • I hate how with each new bit of lore, Warcraft 1 and 2's story is spat on.

  • tyrande might appear again to

  • I don't want to kill Yrel. Yrel is our only female Spacegoat that got fleshed out. It would be a waste to make her a villain.

  • How does the jailer relate to Kil jaden, and why would kil jaden punish ner’zhul by making him the OG Lich King if he wasn’t the influencing force behind it?

  • anyone else feel like after playing wow TBC we became the ancient races for real world. just makes me think if we meet any races out there itll be a big let down when we realize we're the benevolent beings... and were all assholes

  • Nathrezim allied race confimed..

  • If you can't kill Archon you can't kill the Jailer then.

  • We are led to believe Windrunner turned Anduin by stabbing him with Kingsmourne. I think there is a possibility Windrunner convinced him to take it on under his own will. Anduin wouldn't have wanted this burden passed to someone else and would have done it if she had led on that she may be in over her head. She has always respected Aduin. Remember what Saurfang had told Anduin when asked in the jail cell why he didn't kill him? Saurfang had hoped Anduin was strong enough to defeat Sylvanas. I think she feels the same way about Anduin and the Jailer.

  • Use subscribestar, not patreon

  • Can someone explain how the legion plays into the whole hell of domination thing? Wasn’t the plot of WC3 that the plague was a way to weaken Azeroth for the legion invasion? Did they just retcon that plot point away with shadowlands? Need clarification

  • Just say The Jailer it’s cooler

  • When will Blizz stop chewing on the corpse of Warcraft 3 and move on, Jesus

  • This new Lore is CRAAAP. Arthas was him all along. Wow needs to end already and they need to do warcraft 2

    • Yeah I foresee a reboot as Azeroth wakes up. Or the universe literally ending itself, and the Titans roll back the clock.

  • Has there been any discussion yet that The Winter Queen, a member of the Pantheon of Death, is the sister of Elune, a member of the Pantheon of Life? Also, I'm not entirely up on how the Burning Legion became a trojan horse for their ultimate enemy to completely co-opt their entire operation. Surely someone should have been all "Hey now what's all this death magic in this thing? That's not us." Also, we've SEEN the corruption of Ner'zhul, and the Void was acting as an agent of Death. Plenty of examples of Ethereals being involved in both our world, the Twisting Nether and the Shadowlands. I wonder how involved they are with the coming Light-as-an-enemy expansion?

  • turalyon wasnt around when the scarlet crusade popped up and would probably be down with how they are doing things possibly inviting them into the alliance.

  • woo domi magic huh ? i like it

  • My eyes are already burning thinking about how bright the light expansion will be.

  • I'm not a fan of character come back since it kills the opportunities of creating new ones, but I admit having an expansion talking about what the helm and frostmourn are without knowing more about Ner'zhul fate would have been kind of sad. I just hope he'll get a better conclusion than in... WoD...

  • so the titans are law...and people that go against the law are good little communists

  • wait so the orcs coming to zeroth and burning looting and murdering aka BLM the humans of azeroth was a good thing??? plz tell me more...btw the orcs were burning and destroying their AU outlands again..thats why the light was fighting back

  • great more sjw libiturd bullsheet...yes i see the kum on your lips...plz keep this "beyond good and evil" out of wow plz

  • if garrosh did nothing wrong...then no one can do anything wrong unless if your human and whi.....

  • Azeroth is the Titan of Domination.

  • 14:55 so they are already retconning the story they put out last expansion? becurae Yrel isnt dead (well she is but thats in our timeline or she may have never existed) Yrel stopped existing when that whole alternate reality collapsed in on itself, Yrel, the dark star (that was cleansed) everything from it no longer exists and the only creatures with the power to make a new branch reality with time travel no longer have that power (the bronze dragons) or are currently been used as prison guards. to be clear i wouldn't mind them using a character that us players grew so attached too and making her the bad guy, my problem comes from just how messy it is, Write a story and stick too it stop flip flopping, this wouldn't have been a problem if they didn't say that that timeline collapsed they could have just said that our way to get back to it closed, maybe it was locked by something to stop either side from interacting with the other, maybe to protect us from them? maybe to stop us from going in and trying to fix things, either way its closed until it's time for blizz to pull the trigger on Yrel then they managed to break the seal or found another way to get to our reality.

  • are we just glossing over the fact that nehzul made a portal to the twisting nether and was tortured by the legions dreadlords who then imprisoned him in the lich king helmet and frostmourne to serve legion. Where does jailer even come into that? was jailor behind the legion?

  • 5:05 also you have to imagine that distance will play a part? with Anduin been literally in arms reach its going to be much easier to puppet him? 5:57 his own is a really interesting question, basically im thinking the idea of a cats paw, was it your own idea to walk down that street? yes but you didnt feel all the little nudges that moved you along into making that decision, and this also really clouds the decision that the Arbiter made about who goes where in the shadowlands, i mean Arthus was never given that option but you have to imagine that if Arthur was judged he would likely have been sent to the Maw i mean he was soaking in the powers of the Maw for something like 10 years? but if almost all the decisions he ""willingly"" made where not as willing as even he thought is he really guilty?

  • yo THANK YOU SO FUCKING MUCH for putting HUGE LORE SPOILERS in the TITLE OF YOUR VIDEO

  • Garrosh Night Fae is coming boys!!!!!!!!

  • This doesn't make any sense... how did Zo'val get his hands in the cookie jar? Kil'jaeden created the Lich King, the armor and helm of domination, and Frostmourne... was Zo'val part of the Burning Legion or something? Did he and Kil'jaeden become fast friends and make a deal? How does any of this make sense?

  • dumb theories again by bellurar kewk

  • The "Garrosh did nothing wrong" video is a april 1st video tho

  • if you are w3 character, you cannot return. you are looooser!

  • why does he surprised? everybody is returned!

  • Warcraft lore just became shit after the old games and maybe Vanilla - so sad. But same thing happened to Diablo and Starcraft :((

  • How about you don't post clickbait spoilers in dragged out videos where you present your shitty goodies? I thought I had blocked this channel ffs

  • getting so old.

  • Wow dude, you realize your title is a SPOILER

  • Stop spoiling shit in your thumbnails, I didn't even watch nor want to watch this video and got spoiled.

  • I hated Khadgar. I still hate him. Horrible jokes, bumbling like a fool instead of a thousand years of experienced demon fighting mage. I would not have mind the jokes and what not if it wasn't 90% his character.

  • *Yrel and the Light* So are we all expected to pretend the Iron Horde never happened and Grom wasn't a war criminal?

  • *Sylvanas tries to brainwash Derek Proudmoore and assists brainwashing Anduin Wrynn against their free will* Fans: "MORALLY GREY! NOT IRREDEEMABLE!" *Xe'ra tries to Lightforge Illidan against his free will* Fans: "SHE'S AN EEEEEEVIL NAARU!" -_- Looks like morality in Warcraft is based on "Which character in this situation do I like?"

  • There's so much incoherent stuff going on in these vids its hard to keep up.

  • To me, Sylvanas convinced Anduin to become an LK in order to retrieve the key that will serve to defeat the Jailer in future. She gave him the choice and he took it

  • Seriously. An Arthas movie...

  • Well wait a minute. If Ner'Zhul is coming back does that mean there will be voice lines? Is Vic Mignogna coming back?

  • No shit returning characters, without the recycling of those this wouldn't even look like warcraft anymore, lulz.

  • GARROSH

  • so in fact anduin situation is more similar to Ner zul when Arthas become Litch King than the influence of the frostmourne in Arthas(that basicallly supress his guilt)

  • Im so incredibly fucking bored of Peach-King Anduin and how he is tots innocent 1120324923% of the time and whatever the fuck else while Arthas is tots 100% evil and whatever. Fuck off.

  • Lore nowadays is PURE BS, and you sir, you are biased. Period. Shitty game just being shitty.

  • Arthas was already a genocide and a tyrant before even knowing about the existence of Frostmourne.

  • wait is it Prime Ner'zhul, the one Kil'jaeden discoporated and bound into the helm? Or the Alt one we killed in the Dungeon?

  • So, you’re just catching on about Sire Denathrius.. I don’t believe Blizz meant to let him go, anyway. Anyone notice that his supporters still in Revendreth say, just like Sylvanas (!), ‘you are nothing?’ Sudden thought: if the Titans turn out to be the pantheon of the Light/Law, then are the Dreadlords the pantheon of the Void/Chaos?

  • Ner'zhul never die! Go for Draenor! Get rekt azeroth

  • Imagine after his visit on revendreth garrosh will be send to ardenweald. Would be his personal hell i believe.

  • I'm a Horde player, but Velen AKOTA 2021. (Acting-King of the Alliance) Also my guess about Garrosh is this; IF he does get redeemed through the Venthyr's eyes, and he gets sent off to another covenant, it will probably be Necrolords. After all, the guy was an extremely skilled combatant and a very good general as I recall. It would be a waste to NOT make him a Baron of the "military might of the Shadowlands" as it has been referred to as before.

  • Azeroth is the Titan of Hope

  • warlord of draenor should have been about Garrosh redeeming himself, the horde should have supported the iron horde and the core conflict should have been about how the alliance would never forgive this but the horde would never give him up (since his bringing back draenor made them strong again)

  • can't even be bothered to login anymore

  • Where is Varian?

  • But the biggest question out there is........ will we be able to get bolvar’s hammer

  • Draka is bae

  • Ner'zhul is my favorite!

  • What of Elune?

  • Okay, fuck no. Retconning Arthas to say he wasn't actually mindcontrolled is just stupid. It's said from the very beginning of WC3 that Frostmourne claimed Arthas' soul. This is just lazy crap because they don't want to actually handle the complicated nature of an Arthas redemption story. But hey, if you're a crazy bitch Banshee that enjoys murdering civilians you get a redemption arc. WoW lore is garbage.

  • I can’t wait to see the light of darkness.

  • still waiting for that Azshara goblin cannon to fire...