The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast - Season 4 Episode 1: Matthew McConaughey

Publicerades den 10 jan 2021
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This episode was recorded: 12/21/2020
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Matthew McConaughey (actor, producer, and best-selling author of Greenlights) sits down with Jordan B. Peterson to talk about Matthew’s new book, his upbringing, his relationships with his mother and father, his journey to being at peace with his fame, what it’s like to play malevolent or dark characters in movies or on television, and a surprising satirical review of Greenlights.
Find Matthew McConaughey on Twitter @McConaughey and on Instagram @officiallymcconaughey and basically anywhere. Check out his new book Greenlights, which has sold more than 1 million copies, available at
Dr. Jordan B. Peterson's new book, Beyond Order: 12 More Rules for Life, is available for preorder now:
Show Notes:
[1:00] Jordan Peterson kicks off the conversation by asking why and how Matthew McConaughey wrote his book Greenlights.
[4:00] Matthew realized he needed to write the book himself without a ghostwriter as initially planned and dig back into his journals as a form of necessary reflection on the past.
[6:00] Matthew’s old journals revealed their common thread through all the stories, poems, and bumper stickers. That common thread was the creation of good things in life through mindset or action “Greenlights.”
[12:00] Jordan talks about his initial response after reading Matthew’s book and how his expectations were changed.
[14:00] Matthew talks about his solo trips when starting to create the structure of his book. Jordan comments that this was a book written by a celebrity that did not really focus on the traditional parts of being a celebrity (very family-focused and foundational). Matthew states, “When we were editing the book, I found that the more personal the stories became, the more relatable they seemed to become, to the human condition, and that was my hope.”
[18:00] Jordan and Matthew revisit the African trip, chasing dreams and having the same exact dream multiple times over the span of many years.
[24:00] What was the personal impact on Matthew during his trip to Africa where he got to strip away the identity we all know him for and exist as something else? Jordan comments that very often, people confuse their reputation with who they really are, and they start to act as a representation of their reputation instead of themselves; it’s an easy trap to fall into.
[22:00] Matthew discusses dealing with the pitfalls of fame. Matthew covers his changing relationship with his mother due to success.
[25:00] Jordan B. Peterson asks Matthew McConaughey about some of his acting work in True Detective and playing dark characters. “How do you play a dark role very well without letting the darkness invade you?”
[32:00] Matthew talks about the positive aspects of the sometimes tense relationship with his father and having a childhood that balanced love and hardship directed from the same people.
[37:00] Jordan and Matthew continue talking about going deeper into the psychology of a dark character like Rustin Cole on True Detective
[45:30] Matthew expanded on the short-term effects of initial fame.
[51:30] Matthew and Jordan discuss the long-term effects of fame.
[55:00] Jordan points out, “If flawed people were incapable of creativity, we would have no creativity.”
[1:03:00] How Matthew and Jordan first became friends.
[1:07:30] Matthew shares a comical review of his own book written as if Jordan was the one reviewing it.

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  • Matthew McConaughey’s new book Greenlights:

    • @Sherlock Holmes lives. you're right. Hegel is what Bertrand Russell later called "word-salad philosophy."

    • @Sherlock Holmes lives. Lol @Froop Zoop and I aren't the same person but I would at least give him a reach around

    • @Sherlock Holmes lives. He is definitely more Diogenes. He looks like he sleeps on the street lol. All philosophers are supposed to stick it to authority and corrupt the youth!

    • @Historia Antiqua Diogenes or Socrates?!

    • @Sherlock Holmes lives. I think he really is Diogenes. Corrupting the youth and screwing the authority.

  • Beautiful souls.

  • Great interview.

  • Random, but I wonder if Matthew’s wife crocheted the rug on the bed!

  • McConaughey laughing at anti-natalism reminds me of Elon laughing at the dead deer meme xD

  • Thank you Jordan for bringing him on. Rejoiced to hear that Mathew is on this path. Jesus is God and we need to get right with him.

  • Gentlemen, you have been a great addition to my day and night. Hope to hear you both speak truth and sense into the world again sooner than later. Form New Zealand with admiration

  • Good things come to those who wait!

  • Jordan Peterson...This is the way...

  • Ref: Time stamp: 1:09:00. Jesus spoke in parables for the same reason, he's just practicing characteristics embedded by our divine father/ judge. Apparently complex and profound subjects are better understood by us in the form of stories. It resonated with me b/c today I recognized that all self help speakers or self improving material are strategies that have been expressed, practiced, and shared in the Holy Bible already. Thank you both for creating this video, I truly believe my Heavenly Father guided me here to see his work being put to practice for good. It's encouraging so that I may continue practicing these characteristics and keep the faith. Thanks again

  • I bet Mathew enjoyed this interview because I guarantee he’s never been interviewed by someone that can go so deep on any subject.

  • i feel like these two are on the same intelligence level,

  • Even if it is all for nothing, it is still amazing to get to see it. Even if all of man was gone and the universe just kept on being, some great stuff still happened. I'm happy just to be here hangin out the same time these guys are, even knowing its pointless.

  • ❤ Jordan !!!

  • I guess he made a decision that he was done with Hollywood.

  • Mud vs Killer Joe

  • From one of the most profound and needed intellectuals of the day to interviewing Matthew McConaughey. Maybe next JP will host a weekly segment on Access Hollywood? RIP the real Jordan Peterson. I appreciate all that you did, and I miss you.

  • He needs to watch the Sam Harris podcast with an anti-natalist professor, so he can understand that it is separate from pro-mortalism.

  • Thank you JP and MM. Appreciated the insight.

  • What a great conversation between these two. So happy to see Jordan looking healthy. As always, best wishes to the family.

  • Wonderful conversation. Dr Peterson never claimed to be perfect, and he is using the exact same tools that he shared for years to put his life back together. Happy to have him back. As far as Matthew, i didn't know much about the person...very pleasently surprised, probably will end up getting the book :-)

  • how can this have that many down votes???

  • Stick to acting because your pretty good at it

  • I never comment on SEnewss videos....but this is an exceptional conversation. I would like to thank both of you for sharing such a thoughtful discussion.

  • Love them both 🤩😍🥰

  • He knows the truth and he soon will fight the good fight

  • This interview was so interesting.... I loved it TY so much for sharing.

  • I'm so happy to see you, Dr Peterson, back towards health, and the continuance of the positive effects your words and thinking have on people including me. Wishing you a all the best, keep on getting better.

  • If a biopic is made on Jordan Peterson then Matthew McConaughey should play him.

  • I downloaded and watched. It was a good exchange but I question McConaughey's sincerity esp after his mask-shaming commercial which his puppet masters paid him well for. He still has his demons as a Scorpio-Leo complex and maybe a "Contact" epiphany would stir him in the right direction.

  • 31:36 How does the "adopted attitude" of the anti-natalist guy make suffering worse? For the guy personally? Because he sees life negatively and that's unpleasant? Because he won't get to enjoy having children? If that's the case why would it be _courageous_ of him to adopt a more optimistic attitude to life which would alleviate his own suffering and bring him more happiness (at the expense of others in his view)? Why is it not more courageous to endure your personal suffering for what you believe to be the moral thing to do, or not do, when it comes to the greater good? Also, is Peterson suggesting that someone ignore what is the truth, to their best reasoning, for their personal well being (and in their view detriment of others)? Just... fool themselves because it's more pleasant overall? MM makes sure to point out he's not a delusional optimist, but that's seemingly what's being suggested in this case. You don't necessarily have to think life is a Hallmark card to harbor some degree of delusion about it. Seems like Peterson wants to dismiss the world view he doesn't agree with not for being incorrect but for being hard to cope with and not self serving enough, while at the same time calling his own world view courageous because he tries to enjoy himself as best he can through life's hardships, which is frankly the normal thing to do, for the courageous or not. It's why there are billions of us. Any polite replies gratefully received. I know Peterson has many fans and I think a lot of what he says is sensible practical advice. Just don't get his argument here. Not interested in mud slinging. (Yeah, I know it's SEnewss...)

  • One of Hollywood’s actors I now respect. 💓

  • I hate em and I love em at the same time. That fucker 😂🤣😭☠

  • One word.... Class

  • Wait Matthew is such a humble, cool guy! So glad to see Jordan back again with such a good guest 😃

  • So so so great to see Mr Peterson back to himself. Sir I hope your symptoms continue to subside.

  • that is a flipping task though. 2:30 I just burned my 2 foot tall stack.

  • I love both of these men. ❤️❤️

  • Alright, alright, alright!

  • Two of my most favorite humble men who inspire us to be better 🥰

  • 1:07:00 i love that Peterson is interrupting, when he says Humility is a Form of Courage. because it raising a good point. and it circles back to McConaughey's comment about seeming frail and fake. Humility is defined as your, integrity. essentially, when you discern what it entails. it's not being quaint, or allowing other's their right to speak. It's standing behind what is right/ or true. (socially, it can be hard. professionally even.) but its funny. because You go all in, instead of living for nothing. BUt Jordan was showing courage, to intervene and risk his reputation on his words.

    • and there is the 4 horsemen again. they show up everywhere. One desolates the army from afar for he is a vengeful spirit, then comes an emissary and preaches his nonsense of the ways of Hades (barren), and the champion stands to defend the Condemned Nationm, and all for Her Magesty, Our Lord, the Bearer of all Blessings, the Chained and Bound Maiden Jesus Christ whom they rape.

    • alright, I hate myself: I do this all the time. see see, you come at people with something heavy and you get 4 responses. they see it, they see it as stigma, and you are made to look like the idiot who took a shit. and it's not them being malicious. - this can be malicious. they see it, they perceive it as stigma, and they react like they smell a shit. and it's arrogance. but it's no worse. and it's not them antagonizing you. - but they might. this is the dumb face, not the jeezus buddy what are you trying to do to me face^. they see it as stigma, so they reverse engineer it, and put it at you and say, "Yeah. So what do you think of This/"that"." and you say, That's just nonsense, no one would want to even pick that up, unless they were mocking the original clause. convoluting your objective, to bury it like dogs. and so they reply to you, "Exactly. so drop it." - and they see this as a generous opportunity for you to shut up. and the fourth reaction, is a really good heated, intellectual, dynamic conversation. (and I can go on.)

    • now I am not trying to be a life coach. so if u don't want to touch base, sure. DOn't then try to have integrity, and we won't treat you with it (we'll give you something else: which is probably what you want; ... ).

    • now, I wanted to temper my tongue. because I know it can be hard (sometimes) for people accept what's being said. - little bit of me being personal. I say, "don't kick a horse when it's down", as a reference to allowing people to have revelations. [because i'm inclined to believe you can't jam them in] - but i'm not sure who will read this, so I want my statement to be clear {: For the Record} Humility is your take away, when someone is talking. ...sigh. {I hate clarifying things}{it seems so apologetic, to incline people to let me clarify} [ command (@ humility): touch /base. ]

    • its weird because it can get confused with ego.

  • 55:50 i don't like to think of naivety/ignorance as a flaw. we don't know what to do. that's not flaw. A flaw is when we think wickedness is coping, or is an attempt. no? I mean, We laugh at appalling things. sometimes we propose appalling things. but to actually attempt.

    • i can't believe this is 10 days old. so cool

  • Mat's a solid, imperfect, warm and approachable human being. Seems like he's always willing to learn and grow. Profitable interview/discussion.

  • I need Matthew to make an audio book of him reading his own book

  • Interesting, hollywood pawns actually do have self awareness.

  • Outstanding - VERY outstanding. Listened to it all, beginning to end. Wholly enjoyed it.

  • 28:00 yeah. his answer was good. pandering. needs. but, the villains story is at it's climax. they are developed.

  • Great fucking chat.

  • Lol, speaking of introspection and reflection, why must you go to place with no cell reception when you can turn your phone off anywhere you are?

  • 2.5 million views. Holy shit

  • Jordan Peterson, McConaughey is probably laughing because that kind of mentality is not predictable to him considering his background. Especially coming from conclusions so far away removed from his personality and life, or the personality and life of most western people. It's a natural entertainment, something that sounds very natural and so far removed is ironic. Especially if it leads to conclusions that are naturally emerging through logic given certain pre-conditions, a similar sympathy is between Conan and his friend Jordan Schlansky.

    • P.S. It's not something only celebrities happen to feel, it's something that happens often if you investigated enough entertainment in a certain domain and you are very little impressionable about anything related to it or anything made for entertaining, basically is the cost of knowing the art. That's my opinion at least

  • I don't care.

  • Love MM, but THOSE LADY GLASSES.... too much

  • great podcast love that you are back and still so inspiring!

  • I’m a straight man, but Matthew McConaughey is a beautiful human being, and I don’t believe I’ve ever watched something he was n the I didn’t thoroughly enjoy. When I saw this video I was like, “Holy shit! Two of my favorite ppl doing an hour long SEnewss conversation?! What a fantastic late Christmas present!”

  • JP is just so lovely, especially compared to the awful ideologues and the evil narratives that we have today.

  • You look gay

  • Can some1 reference me alright alright alright moment?

  • I must say Matthew McConaughey’s room looks cleaner than Jordan Peterson’s.

  • Awesome. Thank you both.

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  • Now SJW calling to cancel Matthew for being white supremacist as he did interview with JP and Rogan. What a stupid world.

  • Seriously 🤨. How the hell can anyone dislike this? Flabbergasted.

  • Great podcast! I can confirm that Greenlights is a cant stop read with a lot of laugh out loud moments. Gift this book to your kids everyone. It’s that good! 🙌👌

  • Seriously cool conversation! And what a bridging of the intellectual / academic world with that of Hollywood & entertainment. And congratulations sir on your new book. Looking forward to reading & listening - BONEZ (aka DVS)

  • " It's very difficult to have humility without being arrogant about it." Dr. Peterson @ 1:05:00 ( I fear mentioning his name because human beings tend to build people up so that they can enjoy watching them fall long and hard but, KEANU REEVES seem to have found a formula for genuine humility. )

  • Karl Young knew of Bahá'u'lláh, Leo Tolstoy met him , which in turn influenced Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, moral outlook. Do you Mr. Peterson? The Great Physician, The Judge, the Unifier, who brought revolutionary theological, ethical, social, and spiritual ideas. You can not assume that new consciousness, new development in our norms and perception since 200 years ago, came as spontaneity out of men???? A Extraordinary Gem, God send, in front of our eyes if we search, or ask to be shown, that would make you understand the social upheaves since 1854, and proof that God's New Solutions to our problems today has spread into people consciousness. It certainly has filter into to your I followed all your videos. Might find even more answers you have been looking for. I am glad you are healthy again, and thank you sir for your service to humanity. Everyone has a role and together we make the changes forward for what this planet should be.

  • Much love and gratitude to you both xx

  • This is the longest time I´ve seen Matthew with a shirt on.

  • Absolutely wonderful! So happy to have more Peterson in my life. Just listening to him evolves my vocabulary.

  • Did he pop into the room between questions?

  • you're reading too much / distraction shows less influence

  • So what you're saying is..... "it was me Murph, I was your [greenlight] ghost"

  • Simply refer to Proverbs in the bible to add to your individual understanding and wisdom. Listening to this is merely entertainment and provides nothing for your individual self. A waste of time. By the way, would you like to buy a Lincoln Navigator ? Lol...

  • Great conversation...Much respect from a fellow Texan...💕👍 Proof we are always learning...

  • Loved the thoughtful debate...

  • That was a delightful conversation.

  • Jordan is getting progressively stronger with every interview.

  • I'm a fellow Texan. But McConaughey, your buddy from Dazed and confused, Ben Affleck had a series on HBO, called the greenlight. Be honest, that's where you got the title.


  • Sorry, I've got to ask, why does Dr. Peterson say, "merely going to Africa was a risk?" would someone enlighten me, please? Has it to do with the context of the book or was he stating this as a general principle?

    • probably because he might miss career opportunities

  • Outstanding!

  • as brilliant as he is, peterson is not a great interviewer. he is meant to be a guest not a host.

  • Phenomenal Interview. Thanks for this.

  • How many of you guys want to see Elon Musk in this channel??? Hit like so that Dr.Peterson could see..

  • What a treat. Thanks, gents. Alright alright alright.

  • 1:02:46 - I remember that poor gal at Cambridge who asked JBP a question related to climate change. I'm sure it was a misunderstanding too, but I think she got a little humiliated by how he answered the question.

  • Mathew is our last hope in Hollywood

  • The homie JP!

  • Wow. I wrote so many notes down from this. Thank you for the discussion, the honesty, the stories, the wisdom.

  • Anit-natalism? How much of brat would you have to be? How cut off from beautiful reality?

  • Welcome back Mr Jordan Peterson. To say we missed you and your widsom over the past couple of years is an understatement... Wish you and your family all the best, health and happiness... Keep going strong, we all look up to you Sir...!

  • Great great interview! Love both these guys 🙏👍good luck and blessings to both.

  • Started reading Matthew's book "Greenlights" a few days ago - it is wonderful!!! Highly recommend it.

  • 2,500,000+ views - says it all.

  • 2 VERY SMART PEOPLE! Absolutely enjoyed it. Whole new career for Mr. Peterson! Look forward to reading 'Greenlights'

  • If Jesus is a judge, who is he judging for. And what is the theme of the Bible, what did Jesus teach, was it not the kingdom of God. In heaven also on earth! Is not a kingdom a form of government.

  • Amazing

  • I want to believe that not every person in Hollywood is filth